I really enjoyed how you selected the onion pieces but you didn't mention the "limited time only" mockery of the audience itself. That we should focus on love or the Lakers.
I really enjoyed the format. Also, are you sure we don't like laughing at the oaf who fell simply because it plays to our cruel and repressed side?
This was a really unique project Dezri - both in context and format.
I remember that when we first got together in those small groups during the invention process that I was immediately jealous when you presented your idea - Not only would it contain humor, but its focus was humor! How more appealing could you get?!? So thumbs up in that aspect.
I liked how you demonstrated that satire - which is a rhetroical device in itself - uses rhetorical devices ie: pathos logos enthymemes etc. Its clear that satires exaggerate these devices, and in doing so it bascially educates us to notice when its being used subtly in serious contexts, like in a real ad. I also liked how you used both 'guides to the election' produced by the Onion to demonstrate that satires never take sides, and always take sides simultaneously.
However, you also brought in other videos that definately take sides - like the VP debate one - where an unknown audience wouldn't conceive that the creaters took Bidens laughter nearly out of context and spun it. The authors themselves exaggerated. Very interesting that this exaggeration was subtle vs the effect of a satires exaggeration.
I would also agree with Jesse's point that maybe there are potentially more reasons we would laugh at something, other than an unconscious, self-consciousness of fear. But the video you used in support was a good example of essentially saying its at the root of it no matter what perhaps.
I especially like your ending comic/statement - that speech (spears) doesnt kill people, but people kill people. Without that claim I wouldn't have understood the drawing, but put together, viewing someone saying "Die" doesnt kill anything - only the spear. I think what you are trying to tell me is that a political ad is the equivalent of trying to kill off a opponent with words - and its not the ad itself that convinces you, but the readers themselves (us) who create the meaning, and believes it worked. They let themselves believe that the words *did* convince them to not vote for so-and-so.
Circling back to the video selections again, I thought it was also good, that taken a whole, the videos demonstrated well how tight the line between fact and fiction is - that sometimes its hard to sort them out, and at other times completely obvious.
Once I got the presentation underway it was fun, but I was a bit uncertain at first because I wasn't sure how to operate it. Much like you mentioning how uncertain you were in how to create it, I was just a lost as you in viewing it - so a little more "click here first" like direction would have been useful at the start.
As a whole I thought it was great in the sense of the many directions a reader could take off of it. You focused in on one subject well, and suggested starting points for the reader to think about as well.
You make some great points, but the format of your presentation really made it a very enjoyable experience. It was interactive, had cool transitions, didn't suffer from the "wall of text" effect, and the videos were just short enough not to lose my attention. I've never heard of Prezi before, but it seems like a great tool to engage people with your ideas. Perhaps you could do a Prezi presentation on how Prezi uses rhetoric to engage its audience?
Wow, I have never seen Prezi before. Congratulations, you did a very good job organizing, structuring, and presenting your arguments. I think that this piece does a very good job of engaging the audience (me). Also, I liked how you supported your ideas with topics from Aristotle. by first providing the subject matter and then explaining it.
Loved the format, great job. Very engaging. Your structure was well thought out and made it easy to interpret. Kenny makes a funny but interesting point. Do you think there is rhetoric in prezi presentations that changes the way we interpret information compared to a powerpoint or a paper?
That was pretty cool! I have heard of Prezi, just have never used it before. You make alot of great points I firmly agree with. We are taught at a young age to respect authority, but whose authority is it really? We are taught to raise our hands in class, but why, is it respect or is it training to be a mindless minion who only talks when told to? I am a firm believer that an ignorant society is easier to control than an educated one. Our government says it wants affordable education, yet tuition rates are through the roof. The smoke and mirror show. "We want people educated, but only the rich and elite." I also enjoyed how you pointed out that bills are passed but nobody reads them or understands what they mean. Just look at the Patriot Act....there is so much stuff in there that senators just voted for without knowing what the heck they were signing. Our government is a joke...it isn't about the people anymore, it's a way for certain groups to take control and profit from it. Thanks for showing that!
I really enjoyed how you selected the onion pieces but you didn't mention the "limited time only" mockery of the audience itself. That we should focus on love or the Lakers.
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed the format. Also, are you sure we don't like laughing at the oaf who fell simply because it plays to our cruel and repressed side?
This was a really unique project Dezri - both in context and format.
ReplyDeleteI remember that when we first got together in those small groups during the invention process that I was immediately jealous when you presented your idea - Not only would it contain humor, but its focus was humor! How more appealing could you get?!? So thumbs up in that aspect.
I liked how you demonstrated that satire - which is a rhetroical device in itself - uses rhetorical devices ie: pathos logos enthymemes etc. Its clear that satires exaggerate these devices, and in doing so it bascially educates us to notice when its being used subtly in serious contexts, like in a real ad.
I also liked how you used both 'guides to the election' produced by the Onion to demonstrate that satires never take sides, and always take sides simultaneously.
However, you also brought in other videos that definately take sides - like the VP debate one - where an unknown audience wouldn't conceive that the creaters took Bidens laughter nearly out of context and spun it. The authors themselves exaggerated. Very interesting that this exaggeration was subtle vs the effect of a satires exaggeration.
I would also agree with Jesse's point that maybe there are potentially more reasons we would laugh at something, other than an unconscious, self-consciousness of fear. But the video you used in support was a good example of essentially saying its at the root of it no matter what perhaps.
I especially like your ending comic/statement - that speech (spears) doesnt kill people, but people kill people. Without that claim I wouldn't have understood the drawing, but put together, viewing someone saying "Die" doesnt kill anything - only the spear. I think what you are trying to tell me is that a political ad is the equivalent of trying to kill off a opponent with words - and its not the ad itself that convinces you, but the readers themselves (us) who create the meaning, and believes it worked. They let themselves believe that the words *did* convince them to not vote for so-and-so.
Circling back to the video selections again, I thought it was also good, that taken a whole, the videos demonstrated well how tight the line between fact and fiction is - that sometimes its hard to sort them out, and at other times completely obvious.
Once I got the presentation underway it was fun, but I was a bit uncertain at first because I wasn't sure how to operate it. Much like you mentioning how uncertain you were in how to create it, I was just a lost as you in viewing it - so a little more "click here first" like direction would have been useful at the start.
As a whole I thought it was great in the sense of the many directions a reader could take off of it. You focused in on one subject well, and suggested starting points for the reader to think about as well.
You make some great points, but the format of your presentation really made it a very enjoyable experience. It was interactive, had cool transitions, didn't suffer from the "wall of text" effect, and the videos were just short enough not to lose my attention. I've never heard of Prezi before, but it seems like a great tool to engage people with your ideas. Perhaps you could do a Prezi presentation on how Prezi uses rhetoric to engage its audience?
ReplyDeleteWow, I have never seen Prezi before. Congratulations, you did a very good job organizing, structuring, and presenting your arguments. I think that this piece does a very good job of engaging the audience (me). Also, I liked how you supported your ideas with topics from Aristotle. by first providing the subject matter and then explaining it.
ReplyDeleteLoved the format, great job. Very engaging. Your structure was well thought out and made it easy to interpret. Kenny makes a funny but interesting point. Do you think there is rhetoric in prezi presentations that changes the way we interpret information compared to a powerpoint or a paper?
ReplyDeleteThat was pretty cool! I have heard of Prezi, just have never used it before. You make alot of great points I firmly agree with. We are taught at a young age to respect authority, but whose authority is it really? We are taught to raise our hands in class, but why, is it respect or is it training to be a mindless minion who only talks when told to? I am a firm believer that an ignorant society is easier to control than an educated one. Our government says it wants affordable education, yet tuition rates are through the roof. The smoke and mirror show. "We want people educated, but only the rich and elite." I also enjoyed how you pointed out that bills are passed but nobody reads them or understands what they mean. Just look at the Patriot Act....there is so much stuff in there that senators just voted for without knowing what the heck they were signing. Our government is a joke...it isn't about the people anymore, it's a way for certain groups to take control and profit from it. Thanks for showing that!
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